Episode 41
Return to Center: Reclaiming Your Authority Amidst Technology with Natalie
The salient point of our discourse today centers on the existential query: what remains of human authority in a realm increasingly dominated by artificial intelligence? I delve into this profound inquiry with our esteemed guest, Natalie Pochett, a seasoned expert in leadership and personal development. Throughout our conversation, we explore the precariousness of authority when juxtaposed with the efficiency and consistency of machines. Natalie elucidates her framework, "Return to Center," which posits that our life's challenges are not mere obstacles but rather pivotal opportunities for introspection and growth. As we navigate this landscape, we invite our listeners to reconsider the essence of their authority and the imperative of reconnecting with their intrinsic selves amidst the disruptions of modern technology.
Takeaways:
- The arrival of artificial intelligence is fundamentally destabilizing traditional notions of authority and identity.
- Leaders must cultivate an internal sense of authority rather than relying on external validation or knowledge.
- The challenges faced in life should be viewed as opportunities for growth and reorientation towards one's true self.
- A centered individual is capable of navigating adversity without losing composure or direction, thus displaying true leadership.
- In a rapidly changing environment, sustaining one's center becomes essential for effective leadership and decision-making.
- To truly lead, one must first master the ability to lead oneself, which necessitates a profound understanding of personal authority.
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Transcript
Dear listeners, here is a question that is becoming harder to avoid.
Speaker A:If a machine can do what you do faster, more consistently without needing sleep or recognition, then what exactly is your authority built on?
Speaker A:So, for a long time, most of us have quietly answered that question with our output, our knowledge, our track record, our titles.
Speaker A:But AI is arriving into that answer and making it unstable.
Speaker A:And what's left when the performance stops being the proof.
Speaker A:So, dear listeners, today's guest has been thinking about this question for a long time, and her answer is not what you expect.
Speaker A:So, hey, Dear listeners, welcome back to another powerful episode of Mind Meets Machine, where we sit with the intersection of human experience and the technology reshaping how we live, lead, and understand ourselves.
Speaker A:I'm your host, Avik, and I'm really glad that all of you are here today.
Speaker A:And my guest today is a TEDx speaker and the creator of Return to Center, a framework that helps leaders reseat what she calls their natural authority.
Speaker A:So with over 20 years in business and strategy, she teaches how.
Speaker A:How to use life's challenges not as obstacles to overcome, but as an orientation pathways back to clarity, stability, and grounded leadership.
Speaker A:So please welcome our guest, Natalie Pochett.
Speaker A:So welcome to the show.
Speaker B:Hi, how are you?
Speaker A:I'm doing great.
Speaker A:Thank you so much for joining us today.
Speaker B:I'm so glad to be here.
Speaker B:Yes, absolutely.
Speaker B:I love talking about this.
Speaker A:Lovely, lovely.
Speaker A:That's great.
Speaker A:So before we step into the AI and identity and about your framework, I want to ask you something about the word center, because Return to center suggests that there's a center to return to.
Speaker A:So what did that idea come from for you?
Speaker A:Like, was there a moment in your life where you felt genuinely off center, not just busy or stressed, but actually displaced from something essential?
Speaker B:Yeah, and I.
Speaker B:Well, yeah, I mean, my entire life has kind of prepared me for this, quite frankly.
Speaker B:I started off life born in a very difficult environment with both parents.
Speaker B:And so it was challenging from the moment I was born.
Speaker B:And so life was already showing me my way back to center.
Speaker B:So a lot of us children don't realize, like, you know, when we were children, I mean, a lot of us adults don't realize that when we're children, there's a.
Speaker B:We tried to be ourselves, did we not?
Speaker B:We tried to show up in a certain way, and somehow that was not.
Speaker B:We were felt to feel like too much, said the wrong thing.
Speaker B:Oftentimes we do speak from honesty, and then someone's like, how dare you say that?
Speaker B:You know what I mean?
Speaker B:And you know, and it just confuses so what ends up happening as children?
Speaker B:We end up splitting because who we are is the centered part of us.
Speaker B:Like what we were saying, you know, they say kids say the darnest things.
Speaker B:Well, the kids are saying the truth.
Speaker B:A lot of the parents and adults have a hard time with truth.
Speaker B:We have to admit that.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And so what happens?
Speaker B:The children split because they don't feel safe being themselves.
Speaker B:And so what ends up happening is now they move through life not even being themselves.
Speaker B:And so.
Speaker B:And we evolve.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:Have we all experienced that where, like, I went to school, I was brilliant at psychology, but I wasn't that great in math.
Speaker B:And I remember the school system.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's why you're doing this work.
Speaker B:And so I like.
Speaker B:But the thing was, is that I had to keep working on math and keep focusing on math.
Speaker B:Next thing you know, they're telling me, you should go in business.
Speaker B:There's more money in that.
Speaker B:It was all pushing me away from myself.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And so here I go.
Speaker B:I'm.
Speaker B:I'm like living most of my life pushing, forcing, wearing that like a badge of friggin on honor, not being myself.
Speaker B:And then I become this mother.
Speaker B:Achieved a lot by pushing and forcing.
Speaker B:But it felt heavy.
Speaker B:Why?
Speaker B:Because I don't know, Natalie, it's not yours.
Speaker B:You've been forcing this path your entire life.
Speaker B:So, yeah, 10, about 11 years ago, everything started to collapse.
Speaker B:I had a breakdown in front of my daughters.
Speaker B:And that really woke me up because I'm like, wait, what just happened here?
Speaker B:You know what I mean?
Speaker B:What is going on?
Speaker B:And then that's when I went.
Speaker B:10 Years working with the best minds.
Speaker B:Spirituality, I have studied pretty much everything.
Speaker B:I have a dozen healing designations.
Speaker B:I laugh, I say, I have a PhD in personal development.
Speaker B:Really?
Speaker B:And what was interesting is that I thought studying spirituality, mindset, everything else would get me closer to myself.
Speaker B:It actually moved me further from my center.
Speaker B:Why?
Speaker B:Because think about it.
Speaker B:I was regurgitating everybody else's path.
Speaker B:Do you see that a lot out there in mindset and manifestation and in spirituality, how people are repeating what other people are saying.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:They're quoting other people's quotes.
Speaker A:True.
Speaker B:What is their path?
Speaker B:What is their experience?
Speaker B:What are they moving through?
Speaker B:What's moving through them?
Speaker B:They're not sharing that, they're sharing what you know.
Speaker B:And I, and I, at one point, I was bought in Bob Proctor's inner circle.
Speaker B:I was his consultant, one of his consultants.
Speaker B:And somebody said, you sound like Bob.
Speaker A:Okay?
Speaker B:That's how much I had become him.
Speaker B:And not Myself.
Speaker A:Yeah, you know, exactly.
Speaker B:So we see a lot of that.
Speaker A:Very true.
Speaker A:I mean, instead of quoting from our life, we choose to quote from someone else's life or maybe someone else who has already said before.
Speaker A:That is true.
Speaker A:I definitely have seen a lot of time and like you make a distance from that, I think cuts right to hear, I mean, what so many leaders are quietly grappling with the difference between knowledge, the internal position, between what you know and who you are.
Speaker A:Like most leadership development is built quietly around the first thing.
Speaker A:Like so, so from there, like I want to ask you about what is a misconception about authority that keeps people investing in knowledge while the internal position stays kind of.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Like, you know, I always talk about the authority crisis no one talks about.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And it's that people are living disconne from their own internal authority.
Speaker B:So they keep borrowing direction from others, moving them.
Speaker B:And what, you know, I mean, and spirituality, like think about it and like, look at it this way.
Speaker B:Most of us, why are we even going into learning modalities or learning other stuff?
Speaker B:Why are we doing it?
Speaker B:Because something happened in our lives.
Speaker B:So like you in the introduction, like you, you mentioned I was on a TED stage.
Speaker B:Well, that's what I spoke about on the TED stage was your human bumps in life, life, life force, the human bumps, the challenges in front of you is actually God, life, source, having a conversation with you, trying to participate with you.
Speaker B:And what do we do?
Speaker B:We're like, something's wrong with me, something's wrong with them, something's wrong.
Speaker B:And then we let it go.
Speaker B:We abandon ourselves, we abandon our conversation, our intelligence with Source, our participation with Source.
Speaker B:And what do we do?
Speaker B:I'm going to go over here and I'm going to learn something from this person.
Speaker B:And God, if God were to talk to you or life were to talk to you, would be like, hello, I am trying to have a conversation with you.
Speaker B:But you keep abandoning it.
Speaker B:And that's what I did.
Speaker B:That's what I did.
Speaker B:And that's what most people in spirituality are doing.
Speaker B:And they're not realizing it.
Speaker B:They're talking about universe, talking about life force, but they're not participating with it.
Speaker B:And that's what I am noticing now.
Speaker B:It's like my methodology is to bring people in the crisis that's happening around this is that we have a society that since childhood you have been taught to live out of your center and you've been taught to listen to other people, not to participate with the force that's in front of you.
Speaker B:But as children, we naturally did gravitate towards life force.
Speaker B:We were pulled to draw, we were pulled to color and we didn't have a reason why.
Speaker B:We were just pulled and we couldn't wait to get out of bed, right?
Speaker B:And when there were problems, like, look at a child when life happens, like example, I remember, like I wanted to build a snowman or whatever and the snow melted.
Speaker B:Well, I didn't go outside and say, well, not meant for me.
Speaker B:I'm giving up.
Speaker B:I'm done with this.
Speaker B:Like, that's what adults.
Speaker B:That's how adults have.
Speaker B:They have a very childish relationship with life.
Speaker B:You know what I mean?
Speaker B:Like this, this business is not working.
Speaker B:This relationship is falling apart.
Speaker B:You know, the child gets outside and the child's like, okay, well, what else can I do?
Speaker B:And is looking immediately for sticks to build a camp with or something else.
Speaker B:They don't get stuck in this.
Speaker B:So somewhere along the somewhere, like, of course the child doesn't have the awareness that we do.
Speaker B:But this is the sad part though.
Speaker B:We do have to come back home to how we participated with life naturally as a child.
Speaker B:Because add our wisdom and our experience and our intelligence plus return to that full participation brings you to a genius level.
Speaker B:I call really is because scientists and geniuses, look at them, they like they have something they want to experiment with, right?
Speaker B:Think about it.
Speaker B:They get this idea and like a child, I want to experiment with this.
Speaker B:And then where how are they experimenting with it?
Speaker B:With reality, right?
Speaker B:Because reality is going to give it feedback.
Speaker B:Now, when reality gives feedback to the scientists about the experiment, does the scientist go, oh my God, something's wrong with me.
Speaker B:Oh my God, I need to heal.
Speaker B:Oh my God.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:The scientist sits with it because something is being reorganized.
Speaker B:And the next thing you know, the scientist knows the next step.
Speaker B:The next step, the next step.
Speaker B:We are missing this as leaders.
Speaker B:And when this clicked for me.
Speaker B:Now, you know, business is up and down.
Speaker B:Things happen.
Speaker B:Like that is life.
Speaker B:But can you hold it?
Speaker B:That is a rare human being, a human being that can stand and hold it while life is lifing.
Speaker B:And when you can, things reorganize for you.
Speaker B:And that's when you're truly a powerful human being.
Speaker B:Not because you have $700,000 spent in credentials like I thought I did that I.
Speaker B:When everything fell apart, oh my God.
Speaker B:I was like, oh my God, I gave everything to this.
Speaker B:I have done everything.
Speaker B:I have studied everything.
Speaker B:Why is this happening in my life?
Speaker B:And here's the thing, life.
Speaker B:But I would say, like life moving through me, through that experience, reorganizing me had me in the shower looking and saying, wait, I'm not giving everything.
Speaker B:I'm not even fully participating.
Speaker B:Every time life is trying to get my attention, I am like in another credential thinking something's wrong with me or I'm not enough.
Speaker B:That's disconnection, that's self abandonment.
Speaker B:So life is like, I would love to show you the way, but you're not really participating with me.
Speaker A:True.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And why do you think that productivity became such a foundational identity?
Speaker A:So for so many leaders, professionals in the first place, like, what need was it answering?
Speaker A:Like, and if you can share something,.
Speaker B:Like, why are like leaders, like all based on productivity?
Speaker B:They're all, yeah, like, they're all like, produce, produce.
Speaker B:Here's, here's what I know now because I, I've, I've done it.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:If you are not centered.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Then yeah, you're going to need a process and a system to hold you to it.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:And it's exhausting.
Speaker B:But I also went from two over 200 pounds to third place on world stage as a professional fitness athlete.
Speaker B:Any structure or strategy, the way they talked about, because it was changing all the time.
Speaker B:Every week I was changing the process.
Speaker B:So what was really fueling me, if it wasn't a process, it wasn't productivity.
Speaker B:If it wasn't consistency, it was center.
Speaker B:There was something inside of me.
Speaker B:It, it belonged to me.
Speaker B:I've always been naturally athletic when I was a child, and so I always wanted to be an athlete when I was little.
Speaker B:You see what I mean?
Speaker B:And so when this started to move through me, this expression and I started moving towards it, it felt like curio, felt like a child.
Speaker B:It felt like, ooh, I wonder where this leads.
Speaker B:I didn't think, never in my mind did I have a goal set that I was going to become a top athlete.
Speaker B:And published in all kinds of magazines.
Speaker B:I didn't even.
Speaker B:Come on, I'm a mother of two kids, like overweight, did not look like an athlete at all.
Speaker B:And, and that's what happened.
Speaker B:Well, that wasn't what created that.
Speaker B:Honestly, I'll be honest with you.
Speaker B:Every time it was about consistency, persistency, efficiency, push, force, follow the plan.
Speaker B:I always gave up at some point.
Speaker B:You give up because you know why?
Speaker B:Because when life start lifing, what holds you there?
Speaker B:Nothing.
Speaker B:Because now you're like, I don't even like this.
Speaker B:And on top of it, all the shit's happening.
Speaker B:It's almost impossible to stay.
Speaker B:You know what I mean?
Speaker B:But when you're, like, in love with it because it's part of who you are, it's an expression moving through you.
Speaker B:Like, the child is drawn to coloring or drawing because it's part of them, is not doing it to get results.
Speaker B:It's doing it because it loves it.
Speaker B:And then on top of it, oh, I can get results.
Speaker B:That's kind of cool.
Speaker B:Do you know what I mean?
Speaker B:And if leaders can look at life like that, oh, my God, things would change so quickly.
Speaker B:But it's recognizing.
Speaker B:If you're pushing and forcing, you're not centered.
Speaker B:You're not centered.
Speaker B:If you can't stay with the things that are going on without collapsing, without freaking out, without making your spouse wrong, without, you know, freaking out on the kids or kicking the dog or freaking out in traffic, you're not a centered person.
Speaker B:But it's a gift.
Speaker B:Because in that moment, life is trying to say, hey, the reason why you're freaking out is because this situation is showing you that you're not on solid ground.
Speaker B:You're not solid.
Speaker B:That's why it's showing you.
Speaker B:It's revealing to you.
Speaker B:You're not solid.
Speaker B:Because a person that's truly solid, no matter what happens around her or him.
Speaker B:Look at them.
Speaker B:Those are the corporate executives I've worked with.
Speaker B:And you're in that boardroom and shit's hitting the.
Speaker B:Like, bad things are, like, crazy things are happening, and they're solid and they're breathing through it, and they're, like, moving through it, and they're showing up for it.
Speaker B:They're not abandoning it.
Speaker B:They're not collapsing in it.
Speaker B:They're standing in it.
Speaker B:They're holding it.
Speaker B:And things start to reorganize.
Speaker B:The new ideas come in, and then they're shifting direction.
Speaker B:But if you can't stand and you can't stay with the things, then, no, it's all going to collapse.
Speaker B:And I've worked with thousands of entrepreneurs, and yes, 80% go bankrupt.
Speaker B:But I'll tell you why.
Speaker B:Because they're trying to build a bit.
Speaker B:Here's the thing.
Speaker B:The inspiration to even start the business came from your center.
Speaker B:But then you don't know how to stay in your center while you're building this beautiful thing that you're building.
Speaker B:Like, it's the craziest thing I've ever seen.
Speaker B:And so, of course, next thing you know, you're building something that's away from who you are.
Speaker B:But the idea wasn't.
Speaker B:That's the sad part.
Speaker B:And I See this all the time.
Speaker B:And I've seen it so many times where I'm like, just return to center.
Speaker B:Oh my God.
Speaker B:And this is going to shift and change everything.
Speaker B:Let's face it, entrepreneurs are the leaders.
Speaker B:I mean, it takes a lot of courage to move out of being under someone else's authority and then you moving in your own authority.
Speaker B:But if you're not connected to your own authority, which you're not connected to it, if you're not centered, then who's leading?
Speaker B:Because you have to lead yourself in order to lead others.
Speaker B:And most people don't know how to lead themselves.
Speaker B:They dominate others.
Speaker B:That is not.
Speaker B:I'm sorry, but if you are not centered, you're either dominating or repressing or suppressing.
Speaker B:So the people that are full of power and dominating, they don't trust life.
Speaker B:That's why they're dominating and they're forcing things and people.
Speaker B:They won't attract the best people can't.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And you know, like about the practicality, if we talk about like your framework is built around using life's challenges as orientation.
Speaker A:And the bums are not setbacks, they are definitely the redirections.
Speaker A:So that's fundamentally different relationship with difficulty than most people are operate from.
Speaker A:So yes, you can work because through that practical, like when something goes wrong, a professional failure transition, a moment of disruption, what does someone with a return to center practice actually do differently?
Speaker B:Yeah, and I love that question because number one, life again, and I'm going to repeat myself on this one, is like life, God.
Speaker B:Everybody's got a different word to describe this power, right?
Speaker B:That is guiding us and it is guiding us and it is to have a relationship with it.
Speaker B:Now what we don't realize is that when we are being pulled towards evolution and expansion, like all human beings, surprise.
Speaker B:You're on this planet, you're here to evolve.
Speaker B:Every tree is evolving, every river is evolving.
Speaker B:Everything's evolving on the planet, in the universe.
Speaker B:So life, God has one intention, your evolution.
Speaker B:You are always here to expand.
Speaker B:Here's the thing with expansion though.
Speaker B:You know, when you're ready to expand, guess what your system does?
Speaker B:Your mind, your body, it resists your own expansion.
Speaker B:It resists your own evolution.
Speaker B:So the husband says something and you're like, you're resisting your own evolution that the husband is mentioning something.
Speaker B:The husband didn't go inside of you and trigger you.
Speaker B:You triggered you, triggered you.
Speaker B:So something inside of you is like, you need to let this go in order to evolve to the next level.
Speaker B:And guess what?
Speaker B:Your husband is actually helping you right now by triggering that.
Speaker B:But we are a society that when things like, I don't know how many women are like, oh, it's because of my kids that I'm set back.
Speaker B:No, your kids are triggering exactly what needs to be triggered.
Speaker B:So you let go so that you can move to this next evolution.
Speaker B:Next evolution?
Speaker B:Next evolution.
Speaker B:The people in your lives that trigger you the most are the most sacred people in your.
Speaker B:Your life.
Speaker B:And I know that people will be like, you mean this narcissistic asshole that hurt me?
Speaker B:And I'm like, yes, because that narcissistic person showed you where you're abandoning yourself.
Speaker B:And when you see where you're abandoning yourself, you return to center and you don't attract narcissistic people anymore.
Speaker B:Okay?
Speaker B:Do you see what I mean?
Speaker B:But can we work with life?
Speaker B:Can we work with these challenges?
Speaker B:And people don't realize that the moment that these challenges are happening, they're actually guiding you towards your highest expression.
Speaker B:But we're fighting it.
Speaker B:We're fighting our own center.
Speaker B:We're fighting our own evolution.
Speaker B:Like, here's the thing.
Speaker B:Most businesses are like, I experienced it.
Speaker B:Most entrepreneurs have almost rock bottom or rock bottom or completely failed and they kept going.
Speaker B:Now, they wouldn't have needed to go rock bottom or fail, nor would I have if I would have just realized, oh, there's patient with reality.
Speaker B:Because reality, life, God whispers at first, and then it gets louder and then louder and then louder.
Speaker B:And if you keep ignoring it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Then the little dispute in your marriage becomes divorce.
Speaker B:The little pain in your body becomes cancer.
Speaker B:The little things that are happening in your business with employees or whatever now becomes bankruptcy.
Speaker B:Can you see what I mean?
Speaker B:But we don't know how to fully participate with reality.
Speaker B:We, we pray about God, we talk about the universe, we talk about all these things, we study it.
Speaker B:But then the min minute something happens in our reality.
Speaker B:We're like, oh my God, look how unaware these people are.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker B:That is you lacking your.
Speaker B:That is you resisting your own evolution.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And that's really interesting regarding the AI.
Speaker A:The AI disruption we are living through is not a single moment.
Speaker A:Definitely.
Speaker A:It's an ongoing.
Speaker A:So for a leader who begins this inner work, who starts to find their center and build the real authority.
Speaker A:So how do you, how do they sustain that in an environment that keeps changing the ground underneath them?
Speaker B:Well, because you're leading it now.
Speaker B:Here's the thing.
Speaker B:If I am following everyone now, yeah, I can't freaking keep up.
Speaker B:But if I'm leading Like, right now, I'm leading in center and authority.
Speaker B:It's very freaking simple.
Speaker B:But if I became the who I was before, though, I felt like I had to know all of it, be all of it.
Speaker B:And here's the thing.
Speaker B:If you're everything to everyone, you're no one to ever to your people.
Speaker B:You know what I mean?
Speaker B:And so you're not being successful that way.
Speaker B:And the thing I would say about AI because I code AI for my clients, and here's what people are using AI to defer authority to, and it's sad.
Speaker B:You're asking a robot to tell you what to do next.
Speaker B:Oh, my goodness.
Speaker B:Don't do that.
Speaker B:But can you code AI Like I code AI for my clients in a way where AI becomes their mirror?
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:Now, AI is really good mirror.
Speaker B:It's going to help you decode things that you can't see about yourself in the moment.
Speaker B:But never ask AI for orientation.
Speaker B:If you're asking for people for orientation, consultants, coach, anybody for orientation, it's because you're not centered.
Speaker B:I do not ask anymore.
Speaker B:Ask for orientation.
Speaker B:I collaborate with a lot of the amazing people.
Speaker B:Like, I'm collaborating with Avi right now, and we are all, like, collaborating together.
Speaker B:And that's powerful.
Speaker B:But I'm not sitting here and saying, hey, Avi, what should I do next?
Speaker B:Like, you know, I have this problem and issue, and you see, that is not normal.
Speaker B:I know.
Speaker B:We've normalized it.
Speaker B:And then we've got gurus that are like, follow me.
Speaker B:I know all the answers.
Speaker B:And if life, God would be like, no, follow me.
Speaker B:It says in the Bible, do not.
Speaker B:Do not worship other humans.
Speaker B:Like, stop doing that.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:And so my goal, like, because people are like, okay, so you're here to teach people how to not follow other coaches and stuff.
Speaker B:But then you're a coach, and I'm like, no, I'm not exactly.
Speaker B:I'm here to teach people how to participate with life reality and to allow that to reorganize them naturally and to activate the authority and orientation that's already in them.
Speaker B:It's a whole different way.
Speaker B:I don't want you to follow my path.
Speaker B:There's only one, Natalie.
Speaker B:There's only one path.
Speaker B:I want you to go deeper in your path.
Speaker B:I want you to stop abandoning your path and saying that my path is wrong.
Speaker B:My path is.
Speaker B:I'm off path.
Speaker B:You have not been off path a day of your life.
Speaker A:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker B:You've always been on path.
Speaker B:You've been resisting it.
Speaker B:You feel the difference.
Speaker B:And when you stop resisting it.
Speaker B:Then you become the person that people are like, wow, life works really well for you.
Speaker B:And you're like, it could work for well for you too if you stop resisting it.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And definitely I'm just getting this one.
Speaker A:Like, this is for the person who is listening right now.
Speaker A:Maybe they'll be listening later.
Speaker A:So who has built their entire professional identity around what they know and what they can do, and also, like, who is quite terrified with that AI is all about to make that identity irrelevant.
Speaker A:So they haven't said it out loud yet.
Speaker A:So what do you want them to hear?
Speaker B:But specifically, because I want to be sure that I understand your question.
Speaker B:So what I want them to hear about like, AI and it sort of like what specifically around AI Sorry, I just want to be sure that I'm precise with your question.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So basically, like, what they should know from you that, I mean, someone who is.
Speaker A:Who has built their whole identity and they know and they want to do and they can do, but at the same time, they, they are actually terrified with the AI thing about the identity irrelevant.
Speaker A:So how do you want to say something or what do you want to say something then?
Speaker B:So something around their.
Speaker B:So, so we're still speaking about AI and we're looking at like, is it because they, they.
Speaker B:They.
Speaker B:They know, but they're not doing what they know is that.
Speaker A:Yeah, they, they.
Speaker A:They know.
Speaker A:They are not doing that.
Speaker A:They know and they are quite confused.
Speaker A:Or maybe they are having a fear with the AI part.
Speaker A:So that is the reason they are not able to proceed with the things they want to do.
Speaker A:So what do you want to say?
Speaker B:Okay, so they.
Speaker B:And they don't want to.
Speaker B:Okay, so proceed with the things.
Speaker B:Okay, so first off, there's this quiet knowing that everybody has inside of them, and most of us are not following that.
Speaker B:We second guess it and we'll go to AI and ask for advice on it.
Speaker B:We'll ask our friends for advice on it.
Speaker B:And we don't follow our true knowing.
Speaker B:There's a lot of people that are like, I don't know why I'm not doing the thing that I know to do.
Speaker B:And it's like, well, actually, that isn't your knowing exactly.
Speaker B:You're trying to force yourself to follow someone else's knowing.
Speaker B:That's why there is no such thing as procrastination and lack of persistence or lack of inconsistency.
Speaker B:To me, there's just people, people that are centered or uncentered.
Speaker B:And a lot.
Speaker B:I know that a lot of the high achievers out there, like, look at me.
Speaker B:And I, I used to be in the backstage with all of these athletes and they would say the same thing, look at me.
Speaker B:I push, I work.
Speaker B:I'm like, no, I'm going to be really honest with all of you.
Speaker B:I am having the time of my life and that's why I'm showing up, that's why I'm doing the thing.
Speaker B:And if it's not your thing, you're not going to want to show up, but you're going to force yourself.
Speaker B:Because like I knew a lot of people that wanted the body and so they're forcing themselves to show up to have the body.
Speaker B:But meanwhile it's not even in your, it's not even in your DNA.
Speaker B:It's not even what wants to be expressed from you.
Speaker B:You're forcing because you want to be loved by other people.
Speaker B:And if you look a certain way now, you're going to be loved.
Speaker B:And this is where it gets all confusing for a lot of people.
Speaker B:Because you're now off center and because you're off center you are now seeking, you are abandoning yourself.
Speaker B:So there's a lack of self love.
Speaker B:So now you're seeking love outside of you and you're now like, okay, I will become successful so that all these people love me.
Speaker B:I will become successful so I can attract the best love life or whatever, attract a beautiful.
Speaker B:And we all have these things that we're now trying to, trying to get from so that we can get love and receive love.
Speaker B:Well, you can't really receive love from others until you love yourself first.
Speaker B:And to love yourself is to return to center and to start like all of you, you're in the shower and something comes through you and you know what to do.
Speaker B:But by 12pm you're already on five tabs open and talk to two of your friends and spoke to your coach or whatever and you're second guessing everything.
Speaker B:That's what is, that's what happens when you're off center and when you live like that.
Speaker B:Of course you're procrastinating, of course you're inconsistent, of course you're not following your knowing, of course you're not doing the doing the thing.
Speaker B:You know what I mean?
Speaker B:And then you're afraid of AI.
Speaker B:You know what?
Speaker B:I'd be afraid of AI too.
Speaker B:If you're uncentered going forward, if you are not connected to who you really are and expressing it fully, you have inconsistency.
Speaker B:And here's the thing, people like you go on My website, look everywhere.
Speaker B:It's all about center and authority.
Speaker B:Center and authority.
Speaker B:Center and authority.
Speaker B:I stand there.
Speaker B:Because I stand there, people can orient themselves, right?
Speaker B:And so I attract people because I'm always standing in the same place.
Speaker B:But I used to be the person that was standing everywhere.
Speaker B:I changed my mind, and then I'd be like, why is business hurting?
Speaker B:Why are things hurt?
Speaker B:Well, because people don't even know what.
Speaker B:Who are you?
Speaker B:Like, what are you doing next?
Speaker B:What do you stand for?
Speaker B:Who are you truly?
Speaker B:At the depths of you.
Speaker B:And you'll know it's you because you stand there and you don't move, you don't budge.
Speaker B:And then we know that about marketing, if you're not positioned correctly, you're not.
Speaker A:Going to do business.
Speaker B:But there's an internal position that I wish people.
Speaker B:Because I also have a degree in marketing.
Speaker B:That's why I'm speaking from this.
Speaker B:But I always teach people, Let me.
Speaker B:Let's focus on your internal positioning, because once you're internally positioned and rock solid, now go out there and market to the world.
Speaker B:Watch what happens.
Speaker B:People will be like, oh, yeah, this person is solid.
Speaker B:Not.
Speaker B:This person's regurgitating.
Speaker B:This person's all over the place.
Speaker B:This person's like, I don't know, something's off with this message.
Speaker B:This person has to show off what they have in order to attract their people.
Speaker B:Like, and it's not even their people.
Speaker B:They attract problems.
Speaker B:You know, that kind of thing.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I don't know if that really answers your question or probably more than answers your question.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker A:So also.
Speaker A:Also, like, if someone wants to connect with you, how they can connect.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:I do have, like, a program that's called Bump it like it's hot.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:And the pro.
Speaker B:It's a free program.
Speaker B:It's a free course.
Speaker B:So all of you will learn what to do.
Speaker B:Okay, so when you have a life challenge, a life bump, how does that guide you back to center?
Speaker B:Return to center.
Speaker B:That's day two.
Speaker B:So day one's all about your bump and how it shows up in your life and how to be, like, how to stand and sit with it and be with it and let it reorganize you naturally and then how it returns you to center.
Speaker B:And then day three is all about how your authority receipts.
Speaker B:And so from there, if you feel pulled, something inside of you is like, oh, wow, okay, this.
Speaker B:I could feel it would change everything for me.
Speaker B:Then from there, of course, there's all kinds of information for you to then reach out to me.
Speaker B:But I always say, go there first, feel it first.
Speaker B:Your body knows what is for you and what is not for you.
Speaker A:Yeah, I agree.
Speaker A:I agree.
Speaker A:Amazing.
Speaker A:So, dear listeners, what I'll do is I'll put all the links and the details of the show notes for easy reference.
Speaker A:And with this, that's a wrap for today's episode on Mind Means Machine.
Speaker A:And I would love to say that if something Natalie said today touched on now about identity, about authority, about who you are when the performance stops, sit with that.
Speaker A:That nerve is pointing somewhere important.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:So, as I said, like Matthew's details and the Return to Center framework will be there in the show notes.
Speaker A:And if this conversation belongs in someone else's world right now, please pass it on.
Speaker A:And with this hope, this is your host, Avik, and in a world full of machines, know who you are.
Speaker A:That's not just the philosophy.
Speaker A:It's your age.
Speaker A:So take care of yourselves and see you soon in the next time.
Speaker A:Thank you so much.
